Tuesday, May 31, 2005

Revolution's Games

Welcome back guys,

I'ts my time, I'm gonna take it
I keep writing here. Writing words that aren't writed every day though.
Words that for some people aren't the truth. But I'm not here to tell you what is the truth
or not.
I'm here to write my blog for those who are still believing in me.
I respect your opinion but you don't respect me yet. I don't care it.

Who knows? For you, maybe I'm saying the truth or maybe I'm a "bullshiter". I know who am I. I'm Osoko Tanaka.


So today I'm gonna talk about "Revolution Games". Yeah, cause it will be a revolutionary part.

Games are the most important thing for a videogame system. But we can't always play to the same thing.
We could be bored on it.
Nintendo has thought on it. Revolution will let you to play on a different way.
And like I said, it will be thanks to the controller pad.

But...What has the controller pad to be the most important thing?

With this controller pad you'll can feel things.
You'll wonder why, doesn't it?

Sorry but I can't speak about it so much. But let me tell you guy it will have a GREAT TECHNOLOGY.
We need a technology to can feel the things, doesn't it?
And what things do we feel? (...)

What about games?
Nintendo is working too hard on it. And we'll see a new second party working with Nintendo.
And let me tell you all companies are too impressed on Revolution. They thought it will be the greatest system for the next generation system. SEGA thinks so. Konami too.
Hideo Kojima has talked about the next generation and he said some interesting things. Yeah, we'll see a perfect konami game for Revolution. Exclusive for Revolution. ONLY for revolution...why?
Cause Revolution is the one system who can let play this kind of game.
PS3 and Xbox360 can't handle this kind of game.


I'll keep writing about Revolution's Games. But that's all today.

74 Comments:

Blogger samanmax said...

I want to believe...

*cue X-Files theme*

5:48 PM  
Blogger RolloRolf said...

cryptic

5:57 PM  
Blogger Phalanx said...

Why in the heck don't you post something new and interesting. Like the controller will have

1. This
2. And This
3. And This
4. This is the coolest part

Tell us something awesome

6:09 PM  
Blogger Forz said...

i believe osoko has given his biggest clue yet. its something which has been discussed on various forums for some time now.

Haptic Tactile Touchscreen Technology

more info here:

http://www.immersion.com/industrial/haptics.php

http://www.immersion.com/industrial/touchscreen/

6:39 PM  
Blogger mrchampipi said...

!haha Tanaka, still so enigmatic ;)
But I guess it's better this way, if we knew everything about the Rev now, we would just be more frustrated to wait for it...

My question (I hope you'll answer it) is very simple: do you "feel" with your hands or with your eyes?
This is the only mystery that's torturing me (>.<)"

6:47 PM  
Blogger Forz said...

i suggest you read up some more on Haptic Tactile Touchscreen Technology

http://www.immersion.com/industrial
/rotary/products/haptic_effects.php
?mi=3_1_1_3

hopefully ive got the link right...

6:53 PM  
Blogger mrchampipi said...

@Forz:

Well, it would well correspond to the "touching is good, but feeling is better"

But I have 2 reasons to believe it won't be the Rev controler:

1_nintendo said it won't have a touchscreen (but this you already knwo ;)
2_go read this: http://immr.client.shareholder.com/ReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=156188&printable=1
You will notice that they say immersion intend to use this technology "for gaming console and PC gaming peripherals", so it won't be so "unique".

My 2 cent on the subject, I may be wrong.

6:54 PM  
Blogger Forz said...

1. i think that it may be a case of 'play-on-words'. it not a touch screen per se, its a haptic touch screen, capable of giving the user tactile feedback.

a common question posed to satoru(sp?) iwata was that if the revolutions controller would have a touch screen [like] the DS, if its a haptic touch screen, then NO it isnt like the DS'...

no one (i believe) has asked if hes using this [haptic] kind of technology yet...

2. yes it may not be so unique, but you have to remember this will be a compulsory controller to every n-revolution owner, 100% of all N-revolutions users will be using the unique features of the controller...

its not an add-on or peripheral that users will buy out of free will. games designers (for PC or console) dont make masses of games based on a peripheral... you dont see every big game out there support some peripheral, even if its really cool.

take eye toy for example, not every PS2 AAA game uses it, had it been incorporated into the controller or something, it may have been. PC: barely any PC games take advantage of anything other then the mouse/ keyboard... i could go on and on about this but i think you get the point.

7:12 PM  
Blogger Ned said...

Two questions- PLEASE ANSWER IN NEXT POST!
1. You say a new "second party" will work with Nintendo. Do you mean a new gaming company that is not Nintendo? In America, we always call that "third party support..." is second party something special?

2. The DS was the first handheld (and console) to have a touch screen, but it wasn't too revolutionary in the eyes of most. Are you sure this touch pad will be a true gaming revolution?

7:13 PM  
Blogger Peter Hunt said...

NINTENDO NEVER SAID THEY WON'T USE A TOUCHSCREEN. THEY SAID THEY WON'T USE TWO SCREENS IN THE FORM THAT THEY DID WITH THE DS!

7:15 PM  
Blogger mrchampipi said...

@forz: 2 very good points here. I must admit this tech is the most logical conclusion one can make with the clues we've been given so far.
But I still don't think it will be that :p (you knwo how it goes when you're convinced ;)

Another argument I could push against this theory: if this was it, nintendo could have shown some games demo at E3 without revealing it. I know it might sounds a litle weak of an argument, but as I see it, it's another proof that the revolution will be "visual" (yea, I confess, I'm one of those fools that think that the ON video_even if fake_didn't came out for nothing)

Peace, only time will tell (and that drives me nutts ;p )

7:24 PM  
Blogger Samusa said...

To Broncostar: I can answer your first question. First party games are games made by Nintendo, Sony, MS. Second Parties, are companies that sign an agreement with Nintendo, to produce games solely for them (like Retro now, Rare in the past). Third parties produce for anyone they want.

7:45 PM  
Blogger Zounds said...

Its good to see you post again, I was looking forward to it as always.
Some weird things went down at E3, regarding Nintendo.. That is why I still believe you. You gave us lots information that turned out to be pretty spot-on, so I see no reason to discredit you just yet.
I look forward to your next hint, Mr.Tanaka.

8:11 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

Second parties are companies that a first party(in this case Nintendo) invests in. In exchange, said party(Retro for example) develops games exlusivly for the first parties console

8:15 PM  
Blogger Forz said...

its not a weak arguement, i was also impressed by the 'ON' video. however that whole idea to me, while really cool, seemed quite impractical for other users (epilepsy sufferer's anyone...?)

the idea of sensors that registered human movement (like in the video) nintendo wouldnt alienate disabled users...

there have been several other ideas about how revolution may be based on something 'visual', however 'they' say its something similar to eye toy only more advanced.

they're all great ideas, but would bring the cost of the system up if they were to bundle all these things in one box i.e. camera-like devices etc, it seems unfeasable.

9:23 PM  
Blogger TwilightPrincess said...

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11:05 PM  
Blogger TwilightPrincess said...

Moving gyroscopic controllers in the air, like you would use a gyroscopic mouse would be pretty cool. You could use them as guns, racing wheels etc.


Free DS/360 Blog

11:06 PM  
Blogger Chris said...

I'm sorry, But this is a load of crap.

Firstly, I'd like to say that even for an educated japanese person, you would still have the ability to write a proper sentence or paragraph. Secondly, you do not seem very japanese to me. You seem to take the word "guy" as gimmick and stereotype it into this "osoko" guy. You're a tool. You have been ever since the 19th of May. And it goes without notice to alot of people to because that's what hype does to people. All of this is simply a waste of time. Thirdly, I'd just like to say that after e3 you'r blog has just dumbed down to nothing. Why? Because you post crap that is only believable to the naive person. You don't even clue us as to what Nintendo is going to do next. Your last three posts where just hype talk. That's it. Just hype. Do you know why it's just hype? Because you are a fake. There is nothing more that can hold you up now besides lies and the people that believe in them. It's common sense. Even the numbers proove it. Look. over 200 comments when e3 was still active. Once it was over, you have less than 30 comments on your blog. What does that tell you? I thought so.


One word for all the naive believers "patience"

Don't jump on this guys bandwagon. If you're really a true gamer or Nintendo fan, you would wait for the real thing-not rely on some old fart or some 14 year old prankster to give you the run for nothing. It's not hard to start another blog and pretend I'm some Nintendo affiliate and scant about how revolutionary the system will be. Dont fall for dillusions.

12:56 AM  
Blogger mrchampipi said...

@Chris: Lol, thx for your concern man, but plz don't call us naive ok?
You talk about hype, well that's exactly why I'm here. This is a game for me (and I assume that it is for most of this blog's reader), I'm reading this blog for the fun and hype it give us.

plz don't assume so easely about ppl beeing "naive" or "stupid". If you're really concern about those things, you should help the ppl that believed in Sony and M$ "demo" at E3.

And don't you tell me about beeing a "true nintendo fan" kid, I was born long before the NES and started nintendo with 'game and watch', I won't let kids like you telling me about beeing a "true nintendo fan"

One last thing: if you where a true gamer, then you would play this "game" with us. All of this is happening because Nintendo wanted it to be this way.

If you don't enjoy this blog no one's forcing you to read it.

Peace.

2:27 AM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

Halleluja! The fun is back! I was starting to get bored as most of the speculation had dried up and I was really enjoyed this blog. I really hope there is a new second party coming for the REV. I also hope that there will be further mature content for the system.I've been enjoying Nintendo's stuff for 15 years. I still loves Mario and Zelda but as a seasoned and now much older gamer I now enjoy some darker themes occasionally to spice things up. Variety never hurts. The new direction for Zelda is a great step. I can't wait! I know Hideo Kojima (looking forward to MGS3)has been saying great things about Nintendo referring to it as a metaphorical "great dinner everyday". He's also been seen hanging out with Nintendo at E3. This is encouraging.In fact I have read very positive rumblings from many developers towards REV, even Bioware sounds interested. A new second party would add some muscle to future release scedules. Nintendo did state the other day that they were going to make sure games were going to be released regularly for the new system.Hideo making something unique for REV (I have a wonderful image in my head, or should I say eyes) On a side note I wonder when we'll hear an offical announcement on the Broadway processor for REV. Also the 1st of June is the virtual online discussion by IBM and select parties regarding the future of MMOG. I will be interested to hear if it reveals anything of note tomorrow.

5:27 AM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

Mr Champipi I have to agree with you that a haptic touchscreen as described by Forz won't be Nintendo's solution, but I can see how logically he has followed this conclusion. Personally there is an "interface" I could imagine that would be better than that. Miyamoto said that the "interface is everything". This is obviously an important part of REV. By the way Forz you are right that Sony's eyetoy is something that Nintendo made mention of themselves. Nintendo said they knew something much more interesting that they could do with that. I think the RED EYE symbol at Broken Saints is the clue. I don't think that the technology in REV will be revolutionary, but what will be expanded upon by using it will be. I too Forz was concerned about technology and cost issues but I believe in the potential for "The most sleek".

6:02 AM  
Blogger Mattias said...

For crying out loud, folks, you're demanding too much for these people. Haven't you've worked under strict conditions before? If you give out anything that you are not SUPPOSED to give out, you could get in LEGAL TROUBLE.

Leave the guy alone and let him say what he's permitted to say.

6:33 AM  
Blogger Samusa said...

Chris, no one is forcing you to read this blog. Personally, I find it interesting. I don't need to be told what I should and should not do.

And the reason there are only 23 comments, is because Osoko was smart, and got rid of the anonymous feature. Too many immature little kids posting here.

6:58 AM  
Blogger osoko tanaka said...

Hi guys

I forgot to say:

I've disabled the anonymous feature cause there were some people who didn't know to respect my blog and so they did "spam". And the blog wasn't run well.

To comment something, you should be registered.
Sorry for any trouble on it.

P.D: I'll answer some of your answers in the next blog.

7:52 AM  
Blogger ryan said...

GRR! i hate when all the people leave question when im on such a cliff hanger as it is. I want to know the REVOLUTION, DAMMIT! Just let it out! you know you want to. We wont tell..lol.


ryan

8:13 AM  
Blogger Samusa said...

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8:14 AM  
Blogger Mattias said...

Anyway, I have a question:

Since you're saying that these developers will be putting out games that only the Revolution can handle, is it simply because of visual performance, or is it more than that?

Thanks. :)

9:01 AM  
Blogger Master Bratak said...

Hello Mr.Tanaka!

I believe in you, I read your posts/hints everyday and I am greatly interested in The nintendo revolution system.
I have heard other truthfull info about a cooling system from "innovatek" apparently 125% more efficient/low power/moresilent... to be used in the nintendo revolution.
Can u confirm this information?

Also an interesting patent has appeared in the US patent website concerning nintendo, about "cube-mapping".
Does this have anything to do with nintendo revolution?

Thankyou for your time.I am looking forward to your reply!

9:43 AM  
Blogger Forz said...

I've been giving it some thought, and maybe you have a point... if the n revolution is going to be as small as they, then maybe just maybe... it could have a camera built into it... why? ...its logical, its small and can be placed almost anywhere, even a top of a TV or anywhere within the home - something the competition can not do AND it wont be optional to buy if its built in... thats my theory anyway.

as for the controller NOT having a haptic tactile touch screen lets call it HTTS for short, i dont see why not... if you read osoko's blog he talks about 'feeling'. one way to actually feel is through this technology as it's able to be programmed to give you a sort of rumble-like feedback. remember mario 64DS? how it felt to play using the touch screen as a analog was flawed since you had no feedback telling you where your thumb should be, meaning you would keep sliding it into the sides of the screen, this will solve that... but realistically how it'll be incorporated into a game is up to the developer.

10:04 AM  
Blogger mrchampipi said...

@Vivumaqua and forz:

I believe Forz (correct me if I'm wron g buddy) went his speculation go this way because of some hints like "the controler will be able to play all previous system", "touching is good but feeling is better", "DS is a hint on how the Revwill work" etc. Many ppl are going this way, and I must say they have good reasons for it, even if I don't believe that the revolution will have this thing.
About "Red eye": yea man, I have sort of the same feeling. It's a fact that nintendo have had plans for a camera since a very long time. There are new amazing prototypes like this "Infra Red" Eye Toy (nut that's sony hehe).
But personaly, I still strongly believe that the revolutionary aspect of the Rev will have something to do with the visual display...As Forz smartly pointed out, what we saw in the ON video is very unlikely to happen for several obvious reasons (security, bad image of gaming_alienation of players_wich wouldn't correspond to nintendo's image) But I think that this ON video didn't poped out for no reasons, I think it's a hint/clue of what the Rev will be...well, at least I wish ;)

10:08 AM  
Blogger mrchampipi said...

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10:23 AM  
Blogger Phonic said...

The "hologram" thing was just smoke and mirrors, litterally. Have you ever been to disneyland? This is not new revolution technology. Force feedback touchscreen? This is meant to give the feel of pushing a button, not a 3d-stick. Also, I have doubts about the speed the creen would have to have to react effectively. Why would you want a touchscreen? DS is great, but clearly this would not be a suitable controller for a homeconsole. And let's not forget, GBA-GC connectivity was not a big succes. The only reason would be to map different button layouts on a controllershape. I have 2 problems with that: What would one do with the 3d stick? Secondly, this would require a very large screen. A very EXPENSIVE screen.
Gyroscopes I can see happening. This is revolutionary in itself: swinging it would be like swinging a sword, or turning it could be like turning a wheel. Very intuitive, and very easy for non-gamers to use! Isn't that what nintendo wants?

11:59 AM  
Blogger Antisocial said...

you might have a look here http://gprime.net/video.php/sonyrevolution

1:13 PM  
Blogger mrchampipi said...

@phonic: gyroscopic controler sure would be a revolution. And yea, it does exactly correspond to what nintendo have stated lately, wanting the non gamers to come join the party. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the new controler was using it.

But now, why haven't they shown any game demo if gyroscopic controlers are the main revolutionary feature? I mean, they could have shown some game footage without betraying the secret...This is why I'll keep on believing that the Rev, gyroscopic or not, will also have somthing very new in its visuals (again, just my oppinion).

Furthermore, nintendo never said the technology they'll use will be completely new, they just said that it has never been aplied to gaming before. There's a huge difference.


K I'll stop my spamm now...till Tanaka's next update ;)

1:24 PM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

Guys we know Nintendo said that their technology was not virtual reality (This had me scratching my head at first since all the clues suggested otherwise).However there is a technology that is not new but also hasn't really been applied to gaming before. Total immersion technology. Its like VR but its not VR. From a technological standpoint they are two different things and hence they can say "not VR". Total immersion technology uses (two) Infra red cameras just as MrChampipi said. An infra red camera (envioronment capture eye) creates a 3D invisible grid in which a person will be standing on, secondly the proximity camera(proximity radar eye) can relay information to a computer as to where an object is in 3D space. Both these cameras provide information which allows a computer to relay information back to a TV screen, or potentially googles and subsequently map over the 3D space any number of computer generated effects. That is at least my understanding of how it might work. As I mentioned previously Square-Enix president Wada said "it allows the real world to blend seamlessly with the virtual world" Go to this if you haven't seen it:
http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/article/total_immersions_augmented_reality_02040854/
Gyroscopics would fit very well with this. Regarding the fake ON video. I think Aries said the Video had elements of the idea but not quite. OK here is my take on it. The Nintendo ON helmet is not real but the ON aspect relates to Ninendo ONline. Interestingly IBM has a similar red ON symbol referred to as games ON demand. Strange coincidence I thought (I may be wrong). The helmet could also substitute for the actual REV system that has been shown publicly in many colours (remember the helmet flashing into different colours during the video)The helmet is the same shiny material as the actual REV system.The goggles referred to as "the most sleek" typify the relationship to the publicised REV system beigg "the sleekest". As previouly discussed the minaturisation of such technology and the cost related issues are the burning questions. Can such an idea be produced cheaply and in a small enough size. I can't say with certainty, but cetainly within the bounds of possibility. Regarding goggles alienating people. Well Miyamito did say this about REV that when people saw it they would think it's "a gimmick" (remind anyone of virtual boy) but when they played with it "they would fall in love with it" Yeah goggles sound gimmicky but if their "the most sleek" and they give me an "immersive" world (Nintendo's words not mine)then I'm all for it. BTW what is a "Shangrila" of "electronic dreams" supposed to be.

6:29 PM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

Again the full web address didn't pop up. Anyway look up gearlive.com

6:31 PM  
Blogger Forz said...

i believe you're referring to this: http://www.compfused.com/directlink
/662/

also check this out, i think the n-rev controller may incorporate this technology as well:

http://www.demo.com/demo2/demonstra
tors/video/novint.asx

again, i know some people would love the idea of a VR headset, but do you also know that those sort of things are unsafe for use by epilepsy sufferers? and can cause head aches and dizzyness?

i personally wouldn't have a problem with it, ive used 3D glasses for PC games before and it does make a game feel more immersive and just plain fun! but it's just not a good business move by nintendo, it would alienate users - if it were compulsory anyway... if it were a peripheral that could be bought seperately and if nintendo weren't losing profits on each one they sold, then yeah id see no problem in that.

7:14 PM  
Blogger aries said...

Hey guys, who said Osoko is a man? I think Osoko could be a woman. Osoko is a japanese woman's name.

9:57 PM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

Yeah Forz epilepsy sufferers could well have problems with a headset but they also have the same problems with television sets. That is why all gaming manuals carry a warning not to use these devices if people are predisposed towards epileptic attack. Regarding the matter of alienating users, Nintendo says it does connect up to a TV so I would think that there would be more traditional controller solutions(however I am not certain). For those inclined towards headsets and I think they would run into the tens of millions this would not be a problem. Its not like you would be playing it in public. It would be in the privacy of your own home. Besides which, people do all sorts of silly things in public without a hint of embarrassment anyway. Dance Dance Revolution is one such example. People standing around watching tend to find it interesting if anything. Karaoke is another example. Personally I salivate at the prospect of being immersed in stereoscopic virtual worlds and a lot of my friends who aren't hardcore like myself are blown away by the prospect of teaming up with their friends in an online world (that's the revolutionary part). I think Nintendo is onto a winner. Those people who traditionally do not play videogames may well be drawn into such an idea. If gyroscopes have anything to do with it, people will never again have to worry about understanding controllers.

1:25 AM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

Somone mentioned earlier that Osoko was a womans name so I presumed that she must be. Maybe Osoko could confirm this for us?

1:41 AM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

Is the person avalable who speaks Latin? Maybe you know my Latin name tranlated?

1:44 AM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

Just noticed that a mysterious picture of a tropical beach with a Nintendo ON symbol (thanks to the site Revolution today) The picture is at http://www.nintendoon.co.uk/
I had talked about this earlier in relation to my Nintendo ONline theory (regarding the fake ON video) and whether it was coincidental that IBM had a conference about Massively Multiplayer Online Games and games ON demand with a similar red symbol. This image is now released the same day as the conference Hmmm

2:11 AM  
Blogger Pampaaam said...

tanaka-san
I must confess that you've given birth to a huge rumbling in my country
I trust you and really don't want to be disappointed
I even think that you're paid by nintendo to give this informations few by few... why would you do that if it's not the case??
Your speech coincide too much with nintendo behaviour to be only luck... -__-'

I want you to know in case you're a liar that I trust more nintendo than you, simply because they never disappointed me since my childhood

3:29 AM  
Blogger mrchampipi said...

Hey guys:

When you post a link, it does shows up, just that it goes beyond the page. To see it, just hold left button of your mouse and scroll toward the right ;)

I also think Augmented REality could be the revolution.
On this subject, 2 things
_you can try AR at home right now if you have a webcam and a printer!
grab the AR demo here:
http://www.hitlabnz.org/route.php?r=page-view&page_name=projects_bm
and follow instructions (the patern you must print is in a subfolder of the program you instal)
_The upcoming handheld console from Tigger, the GIZMONDO will use AR for some of its games (it has an embended camera), this proves that AR is a reality, not just a sf concept ;)

5:59 AM  
Blogger mrchampipi said...

@ Vivumaqua:
About Square-Enix president Wada said "it allows the real world to blend seamlessly with the virtual world"...At first, I thought, like you, that it was a clear reference to some sort of VR/AR.
Sadly, after some search, it hapears that he said that about the special way Revolution online capabilities will work (something like connecting to ppl you know in real life and ppl you don't). I don't have the quote here but trust me on that.

O, and your name means water of life or living water right? (my latin is very poor sry)

6:03 AM  
Blogger shades said...

the idea of sensors that registered human movement (like in the video) nintendo wouldnt alienate disabled users...

Even if it did, who cares? I am not disabled? Besides, Sony and MS both have done similar things.

My uncle has a disaibility that limits what kinds of games he plays, since a large portion of Xbox and PS2 games use the dual joy sticks, he is unable to play these games and he is pissed. So he sticks with the Nintendo Gamecube.

Yay Nintendo, Boo Xbox.

9:27 AM  
Blogger Parl said...

Tanaka-kun. You blog posts are understandable, but it'll be better if you got somebody to edit it to proper English like me. :)

You can send me your blog posts early and I'll edit your grammar mistakes to make it easily understandable to the end reader, if you like. You may not want to do this as it could be inefficient, but it's likely that if you send it me, it'll sent back to you in standard English within 12 hours.

My Email address is: Parl1987@gmail.com

As well as inefficiency, you may not trust me, but you should have a good enough knowledge of English to recognise if I were intentionally change your post to something which you clearly didn't intend it to.

- Parl

9:41 AM  
Blogger Phonic said...

Goggles strain even people that don't have epilepsy, remember virtualboy? The different frame rates of tv sets and consoles can give epilepsy sufferers attacks, but this has nothing to do with the motion sickness that comes from 3d. High quality goggles are still too expensive. We're not talking 2 GBA screens here people. They'd have to be really high-res.
AR is a nice toy, but not a way to control games. Too dependent on your environment. This is technology that will be used by doctors for surgery, for instance for operating from a different location, or getting extra information on a particular organ. It wil NOT be used for games. Not only is it far from perfected, what would be the use? It's just the ability to recognize objects and get feedback through a GUI overlapping your field of vision. It would only be fun if it used VR: the feedback would not be a video of the environment, but CG based on your environment. I dont think that will ever happen, even if it might be fun. Too dangerous, an non-practical. But VR will still not happen due too costs and the motion-sickness problem.

IBM's ONDEMAND business has NOTHING to do with this. It's a financial IT-service that has been around for years!!! Stop mentioning this.
It would have to be coupled to VR to be any fun
Gizmondo does not use AR, instead, it can use the camera as a navigation point. WHich means it functions as a gyroscope, a primitive one though.

12:41 PM  
Blogger mrchampipi said...

@Parl: Lol xD What Tanak wright is fully understadable for everyone. And since when do ppl care about grammar and orthograph on the internet? xD

@phonic: some games on the Gizmondo will use AR, this is what Tigger's president said at E3. I don't see what the problem is, as long as it has a decent camera and enough processing power (and well, it does). Even some cell phones with camera can do primitiv AR (experimental software from researchers, ask me if want a link)
You are right for the giroscopic camera, I really would like to test this feature ingame (too bad that the gizmondo might be a failure seeing the poor developer support it has so far :/)

1:28 PM  
Blogger Parl said...

Honestly, with no discredit to Tanaka-kun in this respect, some of the mistakes made can be very misleading. I've seen people discussing the blog and getting the wrong impression. Many don't realise that he/she means "very" instead of "too" many times.

Well, it was just a thought - I like being of service.

3:19 PM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

@Mrchampipi yeah you got it right,it's water of life. I too heard about Gizmondo doing this.Immersion technology (augmented reality)does have practical applications for gaming. I have read about the technology in regards to videogames. So yes its definitely doable. It actually appears to sound superior to VR. Phonic you are right about eye strain being a problem and high resolutions are needed to reduce eye strain. Nintendo does have a patent for fixation points for the eyes (but I only scanned over it quick).I wonder if this may be part of the solution. I did provide the caveat in my last post about cost and minaturisation.However, headsets have been around for decades. Minaturisation should be sufficiently advanced to overcome this hurdle. The cost is the crucial issue.However, look at the technology crammed into mobile phones these days.Chips for PC's are being built in Nanometeres.I had a chance to read many new patents from Nintendo recently and they refer to different technologies but also how some can be drawn together. These aren't pie in the sky fantasies I'm throwing out. Patents have to be able to demonstrate real workable technology. If immersion technology isn't part of the deal here then I am completely at a loss.I then certainly don't see why Miyamoto keeps reffering to the REV as being "immersive" and what a reputable source on a another website said regarding a game for the REV being so "immersive" since the word means to be submerged or enveloped. How one can interpret that any other way beggars belief, particulary in regards to the word Total IMMERSION technology.

5:10 PM  
Blogger mrchampipi said...

@vivumaqua: While I'd too tend to think that the Rev will use some kind of special visual feathure, whatever it is, I wanted to warn your interpretation of the word "immersive": it's commonly use talking about nowadays video games, so I'm not sure it's really a clue.
Still, hope you could be right ;)

6:01 PM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

@phonic sorry about the analysis of the IBM games ON demand. I just thought it was an interesting coincidence uhhh now its merely a coincidence.Anyway I still feel the Nintendo ON is ONline. Thanks for your insights Mrchampipi. I do however have to wonder about "the eyes feel games". Again this could be infra red eyes or your own eyes. Certainly there have been a number of sites posting letterbox images of Reggies eyes wide open. The eyes feeling has been a constant theme throughout this whole mystery. In regard to Osoko's question. What things do we feel? We feel sensations and so carrying that further images upon the eyes are a sensation in which" eyes feel games" We sometimes feel what we see(haptic feedback). Really if the technology involved is outside the boundary of this current discussion I can't see how Nintendo could come up with something that could create the "pardigm shift" that Reggie has said would happen to games. This is suggesting that both Sony and Microsoft are at some point going to have to follow down the same route. If we identify Reggie as being Aries and his concluding comment "Microsoft will be the niche player" (a backhanded comment to Gates's original comment about Nintendo)then Nintendo feels confident enough. Besides which they will be the last console to launch. Now that takes balls with an opponent like Sony.

2:51 AM  
Blogger mrchampipi said...

@vivumaqua:

Very glad you mention the "paradigm shift". Here are 2 quotes about it:

"We invented the current way a console is played - in front of a television and holding a controller ... but maybe that image will change." - Satoru Iwata

"The concept of a home system today is defined as hardware that you tether to a box, and you are tethered to it via a controller; we think that's an old paradigm."
- Reginald Fils-Aime

(the 2 quotes are taken from:http://www.n-sider.com/articleview.php?articleid=344)

Dream ON ;)

3:33 AM  
Blogger miyakojikami said...

you said metroid is on Revolution and not developped by Retro Studio, and I can read on IGN Metroid by Retro Studio...it's a problem, isn't it?

9:39 AM  
Blogger szhred said...

Hmm wonder if you speed the truth aleast we know that Nintendo is up to something, and is going to be something diffrent. I truly hope is going to be good.

At least tell us when they are going to show us the Rev?

12:12 PM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

Only found this the other night
when searching through old posts (late to the party)and this puts it beyond doubt
http://www.n-revolt.com/ Oh well it has been interesting and I am still enjoying this private little forum. Its been good for speculation.

Anyway I have been reading about the R520 and its got some amazing features that will be coming to it (HD compression technology).I don't know whether this was a part of the XBOX 360's R500 chip or it was built in seperately. The RN520(Radeon-Nintendo chip) should be even more interesting, since Nintendo will put in its own unique customisations (remember cell shading for Flipper)into the Holllywood GPU.Anyone else had a chance to read about the R520 and also the liquid metal cooling system for the ATI-Sapphire GPU cards, which may be coming to the R520? @Miyakojikami, Yes Metroid is being done by Retro. A reputable source (around the 17/5/05) on another forum did post about a FPS (a Halo killer) for Nintendo and said it involved an interesting 2nd party but not Retro. The idea has not just sprung up on this blog. I think it would make very good business sense for the American market, as it would sell systems to people who aren't necessarily fans of Nintendo's traditional fare. Remember what Goldeneye did for Nintendo (7 millon seller)? Easily one of my favorite games of all time. It was groundbreaking for some of the things it did as a FPS. A new FPS would enhance that mature element. We didn't have that great FPS for GC.

5:35 PM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

Sorry wasn't reading that N-revolt site properly.It's just linked to the onlynintendorevolution (licencee) site as a seperate blog made by some guy wanting to get into E3 and test the waters for website creation.

Anyway continuing on as usual regardless. It must be the early hours of the morning over in that part of the world. I didn't tell anybody this last week but one of the orginal names (linka), commenting on this blog, connected to a Kid Icarus Inc site. It was a clock that was counting down to the 1st of June. (nothing significant happened except that the Nintendo ON symbol appeared on another site the same day?! The other countdown had the date of 30th June as a day of significance for something to happen. Well the webpage no longer appears. Is Nintendo going to reveal something or, as has been the case recently, have they decided to not reveal things at the last moment? Who Knows? Only time will tell. Some of the people that had the most interesting things to say had names that when clicked,linked to various Nintendo websites around the world.A means perhaps for perpetuating the Ngame?

11:30 PM  
Blogger Phonic said...

Some clarification: AR is not VR. It really doesn't have too much to do with it. It is NOT a way for you to "get into" the game. What it does: Take information from the environment (distance to objects, or even what kind of objects there are) and ADDS information to this. This is then displayed on a screen, or goggles. Obviously, when the information is transferred to a normal screen, than that has nothing to do with VR. Game applications could use this kind of AR. When it's transferred to goggles then in theory you could use ar to recreate the environment in VR. But that wil not happen for videogames. Why? Well, because then assuming we could map textures and such in realtime to the AR representation of our rooms, the game would be either constrained to your room, or your house..no one would make a game requiring you to go outside and get into an accident! And all of this is speculation because it would require a VR helmet with a lot of processing power, AND some giant batteries.
About the goggle screens: Sure, tech is out there, but still expensive, Deep Blue 2 is out there too, but I'm not expecting revolution to have that kind of power.

6:14 AM  
Blogger Neel said...

Which other blogs/sites/forums do u guys use for the revolution rumours, could you please post them on here, especially forums.

Thanks,

Neel.

10:50 AM  
Blogger Phonic said...

mozlapunk.web-log.nl has a pretty decent rumour section on his forums. Theré's also a techanalyst on blogspot somewhere who seems to be in the know.

4:21 PM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

@Phonic. I don't know if you noticed but it had already been stated earlier that VR is not AR they are two DIFFERENT things. That is why Nintendo can get away with saying 'NOT VR'which is true. The thing about AR is that its application for use in games is apparently superior to VR. No problems with lag for instance. You seem to be confusing the issue by saying you are transferring the data of AR and converting it to VR. That doesn't happen. Just think of a camera image of your room (imagine thats a canvas). Then think of the AR graphics going over the top of that camera image (thats the paint). Except that the the computer graphics via sensors can track and interact with the movement of objects such as yourself, flawlessly (paint can move whereever on the canvas).
Regarding walking out of the house, I think the ON video gives a clue. A step forward may indicate to the computer 'RUN' for instance, rather that traipsing all through the house. Still I don't know how this will be fully implemented yet. Don't take my word for it though. Read the science. Yes it does have future applications for gaming.

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/augmented-reality.htm
There won't be helmets i belive but some type of slim goggles. Would it be too expensive? Most people think that this would be the case. Myself included. However we are not dealing with a small company that researches such ideas . Satoru Iwata said back in 2001 (when work on REV was already underway) that Nintendo was prepared to dig into its $6 billion reserves to create the "greatest" console ever made. Bold words. They certainly have the financial means to research these ideas heavily.

6:00 PM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

Worded my last comments about AR badly there. AR clearly has applications for gaming. The howstuffworks.com article spells it out.

12:28 AM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

I think we need some more comment's from Osoko this board is oficially at a trickle.

12:29 AM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

@Neel

Igncube.com including(n-sider)
MozLaPunk
Revolution Today
Nintendo Now
Warp Pipe

12:58 AM  
Blogger Master Bratak said...

there's this also for anyone interested!
http://n-gamefiles.blogspot.com/

5:54 AM  
Blogger Phonic said...

Ar is not even related to VR...So Saying it's superior is NONSENSE. It has nothing to do with each other. That is like saying cows are superior to grass..it doesn't make sense!

8:10 AM  
Blogger Phonic said...

"The thing about AR is that its application for use in games is apparently superior to VR. No problems with lag for instance."

Lag?


"You seem to be confusing the issue by saying you are transferring the data of AR and converting it to VR. That doesn't happen. Just think of a camera image of your room (imagine thats a canvas). Then think of the AR graphics going over the top of that camera image (thats the paint). "

Exactly, except when that "paint" is CG, then that is what we call VR! What you describe here is VR, with movement being tracked by AR. This is NOT what AR was meant to do, and it is much too expensive to use as a gyroscope.

By the way, this is what gizmondo does, use the camera to act as a Gyroscope. That is NOT AR!

You don't seem to understand that interpreting and adding to the data from the environment is what AR is about.

"Except that the the computer graphics via sensors can track and interact with the movement of objects such as yourself, flawlessly (paint can move whereever on the canvas)."

What you describe here is basically a gyroscope! This device can "track" movement. Add a gyroscope to your leg, and voila, same functionality.

What is new about AR is the ability to interact with the real environment. The situations you describe don't require this.

8:34 AM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

I don't doubt that they both use CG and in a BROAD sense, it is VR but from a scientific position they are by definition coming from two DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES in regard to how they blend the real and virtual. As I have said before these are(repeat) NOT MY WORDS. Here is another article discussing Augmented Reality vs Virtual Reality. Go argue with the scientists!
http://www.se.rit.edu/~jrv/research/ar/introduction.html#Section1.1

4:12 PM  
Blogger Amuro said...

I really think Vivumaqua is right about AR. I ve got a friend who is working on AR technologie and he told me a lot of time that AR will be a part of the revolution (according to him Stereoscopic 3D will play a minor role aslo). I think Nintendo find a way to use it in a better enternaiment way than previously done by others...For Example let s take a very simple game (the kind of game Miyamoto wants to make on Revolution): A ping pong game, Imagine you re playing in your room with your brother, he face you, some feets away. \then suddenly the game start, you see in real time, through an still unknow display (My friend really thinks Revolution won t use TV but rather a different kind of display) your brother metamorphose suddenly in Luigi, bowser...And you begin to play Ping pong by motion tracking...Of course it may sounds strange, but I think it s what nintendo is aiming with his next console. Try to ask to non gamers why they don t like video game, and what king of interface will eventually attract them. I pretty sure most of them will answer they d like to play with there hand and body.

5:56 AM  
Blogger Master Bratak said...

hello,well amuro what you're saying sounds real unlikely for many reasons partly because you wouldn't be able to play the old games (no TV !?)

Oh and blog is updated for any interested:
http://n-gamefiles.blogspot.com/

The truth is out there...

10:54 AM  
Blogger Vivumaqua said...

Nintendo have said that REV will hook up to a TV set.

12:18 AM  
Blogger nw15062 said...

I have a Question, And I think you will be able to answer it to, Reggie said "Nintendo Likes to see games in 2 perspectives" and when he showed key developers he said " their eyes lit up with amazment"
Kore wa Hanto desu ka?, Veru Aru Onegai shimasu ^_^. SteroScopic vision .. each eye sees from aslightly diffrent angle giving a illusion of 3D is this part of it ?

Watashi no Emaru wa nw15062@hotmal.com, surru onegai,

If the virtual Boy came out one year later it would have had full color and games would be very diffrent. VB 1995, green and blue LED's 1996, I guess it was not a lucky year for Nintendo back then.

2:58 AM  
Blogger nw15062 said...

The Revo will be able to hook up to a TV and a Monitor along with transmit video through a advanced Wifi connection.

2:59 AM  

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